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tv   Piers Morgan Tonight  CNN  November 22, 2012 12:00am-1:00am PST

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>> tonight cease fire, is hamas ready to lay down their arms? >> the right thing for the state of israel is to exhaust this opportunity to obtain a long-term cease fire. >> our brothers will guarantee the understanding of this agreement. >> both sides tell me what it will take. >> i would prefer to say i would be cautiously optimistic. >> this is piers morgan tonight. >> good evening. our big story tonight. after 8 days of firing, a cease fire on the border. >> we want the entire world to
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understand that you we can explain the pale faces of the leaders of the enemy because they have failed in their attempt. >> i have to say that all of this was done with the firm support on the part of the leaders of the international community and i would like to thank president obama for his support. >> on both sides and around the world, what is the atmosphere like and is there a sense that
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hamas has strengthened it's position? >> there is to a certain degree. if you look at the terms of the agreement it must state that it needs to facilitate the movement of goods. we don't know that just yet. they do feel that this time around the israelis, yes it was indirectly, but still were forced to come to an agreement, when it came to trying to resolve this conflict, the mood on the street here was very much one of celebration, some people celebrating the fact that they see this as being stood up in the face of aggression, they were able to go out side. >> you can see the pictures here of people looking jubilant.
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when you look at the way this has played out politically, the new president played a role here. how significant is it that egypt is playing the shots? >> when it came to trying to mediate the deals, egypt has played a critical role what has changed is the dynamics, the ally of the west and the de facto ally of israel is no longer in power and the egyptians became an entity and that changed a lot of the dynamics and that has changed the way it has been playing out here on the ground. the frame work of what is transpiring here, that is what has changed at this point. most certainly, given the fact that it is a young government,
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it has in one sense past that first critical test. thank you very much indeed. >> welcome to you. >> thank you for having me. >> can you you outline what you believe the spirit of this agreement to be today? it is an arrangement that has been with the support of the united states and it promises us the people of southern israel peace and quiet. that they no longer have to fear rockets coming in. the promise of the possibility to live a normal life. >> i understand that it promises the people of gaza a better future we are hearing by the "new york times" that the terms stayed that under lying grievances the border restrictions the movement of people and goods will be addressed 24 hours after the cease fire is in effect. that is a big move by israel. i think it is important to remember the following, the there is cause and effect. when we pulled out of gaza and
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pulled back, there were no restrictions in place. that they no longer have to fear rockets coming in. the promise of the possibility to live a normal life. >> i understand that it promises the people of gaza a better future we are hearing by the "new york times" that the terms stayed that under lying grievances the border restrictions the movement of people and goods will be
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addressed 24 hours after the cease fire is in effect. that is a big move by israel. i think it is important to remember the following, the there is cause and effect. when we pulled out of gaza and pulled back, there were no restrictions in place. they were placed when we started to see violence and terrific and rockets aimed at our people. that is only normal. they were shooting at us they couldn't expect to have normal relations. if we were going into a period of quiet, obviously, that changes the reality for us and allows us to turn a page. we don't see the enemy and we have no trouble taking steps that improve the quality of life. >> one of the main concerns is that this is going to one step
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nearer the legitimizing of hamas. it was only when the political wing of the ira that they achieved a lasting peaceful settlement. do you see a parallel there and a time when it will be seen as a legitimate body by israel? >> if hamas changed and if it met the three benchmarks by the united nations, recognizing our countries right to exist then the door is open to negotiations. but i see no evidence of that so far. i think hamas is stuck in an extreme position and the evidence for that, we had the bombing on the bus and hamas praised that and they said that was legitimate. as long as they are doing that sort of thing. it is difficult to be opt miss stick. if they do change or reverse
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some of their hard lined positions, the door can be open. >> do you accept in the last ate or nine days 30 palestinians have been killed and iz raillies. there has been blood shed on both sides. >> this whole operation wasn't to take more territory.
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it wasn't to take regimes. our operation was purely defensive. our goal was to protect our people so that the population of southern israel would not have to live in daily fear. i hope, i hope, that these understandings rich with egypt and with the united states as well and we should thank the american government will hold and that we get peace. that is good for israel and also good for gaza. >> thank you very much for joining me. >> my pleasure, sir. >> he joins me now, welcome to you, sir.
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how much of a concern is it to you, that hamas had nothing to do with this cease fire. >> palestine and the question is not the issue. gaza is part of the palestinian people. and the question of leadership, it is authentic. people elected leader but if the americans try to divert the attention of the central issue of how to go about controlling one party or another, this would be a great mistake to peace in the region >> are you concerned that all the dealings here appear to be have been done directly with hamas and not with a wider
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group? >> president was not absent from the negotiations. of course when there is a fire, it goes to the cause of the fire. but it is part and parcel of the palestinian struggle against the occupation and if we were to look for the future of the cease fire, another mistake would be made. we have to lead with the root cause. the united states of america was right when it started. to give priority to the conflict to put the barometers for that. president obama himself on the 19th of may of last year, when he spoke from the state department he outlines how peace can be achieved.
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unfortunately, this was not followed by the americans. they kept a blind eye to the measures that were destructive to the peace process. trying to even prevent them from trying to preserve the international community which was the two-state solution. here, the process has to be reviewed to the service. as mrs. clinton said this evening that they have to meet the aspirations of the people. by ending the occupation of our land. we need serious nes in approaching this. >> chairman thank you very much
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how long will the celebrations last? welcome to you. i'm going to start by playing a clip. listen to this and talk afterwards. >> is there ever a circumstances under which you will recognize israel's right to exist? >> i will give you a direct reply.
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about the direct answer. i accept a palestinian state. with jerusalem with the capital with the right to return. >> you know everybody is not going to be able to return you know that. >> say that again? >> every palestinian who is living in the area is not going to be able to return to israel. >> who said that? >> that is what the other parameters. >> i tell you, i accept. >> they can come to the palestinian state. >> i tell you my sister, you at cnn, i respect the channel, do a survey, if you don't find the big majority then i'm wrong. >> what did you make of your interview, in particular, how he
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defined how a peace settlement could unravel here. >> he was talking about eventual recognition about the state of israel. that is what everybody wants to know. that is one of the reasons why he is not involved in the peace process. it is vital on what would it take. his last answer was interesting. but, in terms of how long thistruce might last. i know both sides want it to last. if it is true, that some of these parameters are met, that the israelis start lifting the restrictions and blockade
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eatsing the ability to move in and out and the ability of goods to go in and out, that is going to be important. if israel can see there are no more rockets, this will be more important. there is the short-term and the long-term is whether the united states and the palestinians can get together and that is more dubious. but without that, the cynics will tell you this is one of many, many cycles. and then it could explode again. >> how do you get a sense of control now. there is the feeling that they are getting pushed aside again and hamas is getting more and more authority and that given that they are the ones that are at war with israel if they can be brought to a table and do a deal they can get the ever lasting peace. >> as i say, it will be a while before they can get hamas to the peace table. we'll see whether that is ever possible.
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but yes, you are right. it looks like at least this last week of war that this authority has been marginalized, this brotherhood arab world, it has much more relationships with all of these new governments. and it is meant to be isolated by the u.s. and israel. they don't want to see hamas see anything to do with the slightest bit of fresh air. we saw leaders beating the door down to stand shoulder and shoulder with hamas. obviously, the unbelievable thing was how well egypt worked and got this deal. everyone know that it is egypt and the new president and this
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government made this happen. >> thank you very much indeed. coming up next. giuliani comes up to talk about whether this cease fire will hold.
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i would like especially to thank president obama for his unreserved support for israel's actions in the operation and for the right to defend itself as the support for the iron dome systems. >> thanking president obama for standing by it's side during the fighting but did the white hou handle the situation effectively? >> welcome. how are you? i want to read you a tweet.
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president obama's steady support of the situation helped to solve the situation. >> donald trump. the fact that he has gone on record assaying that would indicate that it would be very, very hard for republicans to be critical of him. >> i don't see how or why he would be critical of a cease fire. it is probably too early to have a final conclusion of this. i would prefer to say i would be cautiously optimistic. you shouldn't get too everly excited of the tensions when you see the scene that i saw of the body being dragged through the streets of gaza. you get a sense of the elements
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that you are dealing with here flt as well as the people on the palestinian side. let's hope they can continue on that road. >> i think the egyptian role is sill can't indeed. the rise of the muslim brotherhood and how they would behave. to the extent that the president spoke to them three times in the last several hours. he was working at 3:30 a.m. cambodia time. i would say that is very encouraging.
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but going forward you have the new president of egypt looking to do a deal and bring peace and work in cohorts with america and indeed israel. it seems like at the beginning he made statements that were questionable supporting the hamas side. he has taken a balanced approach. and hopefully by doing that he freezes iran out and a lot of those missiles were iranian. and if he can continue to assert himself and put himself in the middle of this, maybe he can push iran out. i think moresy the jury is out on him. he said some things that are constructive and have been damaging.
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>> what about the palestinian situation where you have hamas on the other, you have two governments working there. is it possible to get to a serious discussion about a two state solution if you don't know which government is you calling the spots? >> it is hard. and the related groups that are part of this, because some of them are loosely affiliated with hamas. you have a wing that is violent and dangerous as you can see from the scenes that we saw. the body being dragged through the streets. on the other hand fattah doesn't
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seem to have enough control over the people. i don't think you can finally get to some kind of solution here until the two of them are working together. >> what about chris christie, he has been getting the flack from the gop senior members. and him embracing the support, what was your view. i had dinner with chris two days after the election. i think he did what he had to do as a governor. i did that several times as mayor of new york and got hurt. this is all going to pass away. >> i believe chris will get re-elected and there were some people that were being annoyed about it. and i think they are not realizing that the governor has an obligation to the people of their state. many of them were in a terrible situation. he needed to help them he put
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that first. >> would you like to see him running in 2016? >> you are preaching to the converted here. if i wasn't the first republican to support him i was the second. i think he's exactly the kind of public servant we need. someone that puts the interest of his state ahead of his party. >> good to talk to you. thank you. >> coming up next what the cease fire means tosy vailians living in constant fear. i talked to two of them.
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what impact is that having on civilians? joining me by skype our guests. what has life been like for you in gaza over the last 8 or nine
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days? >> it is a very hard time for all of us. working here in gaza under this attack. every day, um, we leave the house in the morning and we think that we are not going to see our children back in the house. especially in the last three days here in gaza. these places belong to someone from hamas or from islamic jihad it is like other journalists from different agencies and channels and seeing all of these kind of people killed in the street, inside their homes.
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a lot of kids, you know, make me feel angry to hear that there is a cease fire after all that. and i don't know if it is worth it that we lost all these kids and people to find the solution to go to the cease fire. >> let me turn to natalie. it is a desperate story that you are hearing there on the other side. it has been tough there. you have been living there for your husband and child. what is your view? >> um, it has been very difficult 8 days in israel. as a new mom, i just gave birth a month ago. i never imagined this is the reason i would stay up. while my daughter sleeps through the night. i worry that any minute the siren will be heard and we will have to rush for shelter.
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there are 12-year-old kids in israel that don't know other reality. they have been facing terror attacks on a daily basis. we want to raise our kids normally in peace and it has been difficult. today with the bombing on the bus in central tel aviv. i grew up there and i remember the days of the suicide bombings. it is hard to describe the feeling. >> what would you say to somebody like amira who is just like you. she is a person living with her
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family but on the other side you are there on the split screen what would you say to her? i'm sure that she is facing a difficult reality, but i don't want to get into politics we are civilians and i can feel her story, as i new mother a can relate to her story as well. but i can tell you we are dealing with a terrorist organization. hamas is controlling gaza at the moment. that is the problem. i wish they would do something to change that reality but at the moment israel is facing a difficult situation and it strikes all over the world. i happen to be in america during 9/11 and in london in 2005 and i would like to see more people involved in the international community which is awful for
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both sides. >> what would you say to that? >> i agree with her, the first part that we are both mothers and we don't want to involve in the political issue. but there is the part that i don't agree with, because if we go back in 2004 and in 2005 when they made the palestinian election it was a free election. they should respect their choice as a people they are going to present the palestinian people. if it is a terrorist organization it doesn't mean that all the palestinian people are terrorists. ip the last 8 days it was like the bloody war. i have an image in her mind you shouldn't be scared of it. i don't know how i can teach her the meaning of life to be a normal kid to live under peaceful time while she is growing up under attack.
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>> what i get from talking to both of you is when you cut away from the toll ticks and military wings from both sides what you are left with are real people living in difficult situations is the most important thing is that the cease fire holds and the people that responsibility for these things are that the people get together and bring to you a better life.
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i thank you very much for joining me tonight. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> with me now is ed hussain. he is the author of "the islamist". i found that a fascinateing discussion there. >> the human aspect is touching without a doubt. what struck me the most is the fact that here in the west and in israel rightly we see hamas as a terrorist organization. but on the ground in gaza and around the region, they are not seen as a terrorist organization and it is somehow that huge gap that leads to some level of sympathy for the operations in the middle east and this harsh condemnation on our side. >> i had personal experience of reporting on this for so long.
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i see it with northern ireland. he sorted peace there and he did it the hard way. he sat down with the terrorist group like hamas and negotiated it through and legitimized itten the end do you think it is inevitable and essential that the same process happens with hamas that so many arab countries believe that it is an elected body and should be legitimized? >> we saw a two track process. there were no huge preconditions put forward? the weapons while at the same time and peace talks there is a lesson there for the israeli side to commit to talks without the preconditions that do away with the charter. you must give up where weapons and give up the jewish state. that over the last 20 or 30 years has resulted in the constant situation of going to
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war. that can't be upheld. there is in the new middle east. now it has allies in egypt and turkey and these are u.s. allies and it is an important junction now capitalize on the post war situation to try and bring a lasting settlement by maintaining the policy rather than trying to say if you do x, y and z we won't talk to you. they are doing that. and you know the u.s. spoke to the plo we have been here before and you are right. they offer the lessons on the peace process now. >> it does thank you very much indeed. coming up, what it means to the obama administration. this is a critical moment for the region. egypt's new government is
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assuming the responsibility and leadership that has long made this country a corner stone of regional stability and peace. ñço
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this is a critical moment for the region. egypt's new government is assuming the responsibility and leadership that has long made this country a corner stone of regional stability and peace. >> secretary of state clinton pricing egypt to help broker the peace. jesse jackson jr. stepping down from congress. let's bring in my panel to talk about that. welcome to you, both. >> thank you for having me. >> charles blow, a fascinating few days in the middle east is and also fascinating politicly for america. i think very good for president obama, clearly been leading the way with daily calls to prime minister netanyahu and president morsi, he got the cease-fire he wanted and as did secretary of state hillary clinton. she is leaving and a vacanty for the role. what do you think the way this is playing out for obama, for presidency, for the democrats and for their strategy in the
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middle east? one thing really important to remember, netanyahu has an election coming up in january, so in our election, he kind of bet even the wrong force, he -- he made no qualms about the idea that he was the supporter of mitt romney's. mitt romney didn't win so now president obama has a bit of a stronger hand in that relationship. even though that relationship, as many people have noted, is not the best relationship in the world, but going in to netanyahu's re-election bid on the heels of this sort of conflict with the american government plays an instrumental role in a cease-fire, gives the
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obama administration, the state department, a much stronger hand in the middle east in general and i think it gives president obama a stronger hand both in the middle east and at home, because he's able to play this role with someone, that he has not had the best relationship with. >> kristin soltis, do you agree with that? >> to an extent. i think it will be good for obama if the cease-fire can be maintained, particularly, it will be good for secretary clinton. whenever you get to be the one giving the press conference, that's a good visual moment. what i think is really interesting, is to watch how the arab spring has affected this and how egypt's sort of new leadership, there were these real questions as to what extent will the new president of egypt, part of the muslim brotherhood, be a force for good and
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stability in the region. the fact that you have egypt and secretary of state clinton trying to broker a deal. this isn't a partisan issue, a lot of people will look favorably if the american government can play a positive role in bringing about peace. >> spin off to two other quick issues before thanksgiving strikes us, one is the fiscal cliff. charles, you getting the same feeling i am, a more collective will to try and avoid falling off this cliff and get a deal done perhaps sooner rather than later? >> i absolutely do believe that. i believe that, you know, obama had the stronger hand, because if nothing happens, you know, no one wants that to happen and, in fact, the clock is ticking in that direction, and everybody has an incentive to say let's cut some sort of deal. and i do believe that deal will eventually encompass both revenue increases and some sort of structural realignment of
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some of the entitlement programs, and i actually believe the american people put aside the right and left. the american people actually are desperate to see their government be able to work, to do something. to make it happen. to not go into another situation where we have another downgrade. that is the exactly the option of what we want coming out of this presidential election, where people i think spoke and spoke rather clearly that we're going to have a divided government, that the republicans will have the house, democrats will have the senate and the presidency, and we want you guys to make this work for us. >> i think that's right, isn't it, kristin? i also defect amongst
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republicans, a greet desire to be a little more bipartisan, because they realize since losing the election, that the public won't buy into much more of this apparently intransigence on either side. >> so the challenge to republicans, they got beat at the presidential level and the question is, how do they retool what they are doing and handle situations like the fiscal cliff to make the case that they are trying to recreate economic growth. a lot of discussion in recent days, how can we create revenues in a way that shows we are serious about growing revenues in addition to getting the spending cuts. the question, how do you do it? get it by closing loopholes, raising rates? once you get into those details that the problems emerge. the other question is, this has been talked about as a fiscal cliff, and i heard it described as a potential staircase. where there are potential stages where there is one big deal that ends it all, that this may be something where we come down a little bit more gradually, the big question, what does the first stair look like, and the republicans pass legislation, and we passed it to keep all of the tax rates where they are, to
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stave off the fiscal cliff and democrats say that we won't pass that bill, we want the rates to go up on the top bracket, and we won't pass anything that extends the race, what does the opening move look like? i'm somewhat pessimistic, there won't be much agreement on what the opening move will look like moving forward. >> let's not be pessimistic. it's thanksgiving, cease-fire in the middle east. let's all just wish each other happy thanksgiving, and wish all our politicians come back and get some deals done. thank you, both, for joining me. >> thank you. >> thank you for having us. this friday night, your more identity theft. by the time this holiday season is over, an estimated 1.2 million identities may be stolen. every time you pull out your wallet, shop online or hit the road, you give thieves a chance to ruin your holiday. by the time you're done watching this, as many as 40 more identities may be stolen. you can't be on the lookout
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this friday night, your average kind of holiday show. me and a bunch of crazy animals. jack hanna stops by with some of his friends and if you know jack, that means cheetahs, alligators, leopards, a whole lot more. a menagerie of hell as far as i'm concerned. take a look. >> the tail, for example. you can touch the tail. the tail gets much bigger, this thick. up there, 40, 50 below zero. >> whoa. >> that was cool, wasn't it? >> yeah, that was very cool. >> sorry you don't have a hand there. the cameraman, please don't sue me.